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Kim Carlsen | 1 Sep 2004 10:37

Re: Minimalist display manager

> I've tried a script to run startx via su as the last init script, but for
> some reason it doesn't work - something to do with Xauthority IIRC. On one
> of my boxes I've got a similar script working from inittab, but I'd rather
> have it as an /etc/init.d service like gdm.

*** Off topic ***
I have tried doing something similar(but with a different approach), 
I have tried moving the gdm to launch as the first thing in the
background(moved it to be the first init.d script), since my desktop
enviroment have no obvious dependencies on the rest of the system
services, I figured it would be nice if the desktop was available
instantly after the kernel has bootet.

This doesnt work at all since the keyboard then will be broken(not able to
type anything). I havent been able to figure out why, is this the same
that happens with your 'su startx'?
If it is and you find a solution please post it.

Best Regards
Kim Carlsen

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Tony Houghton | 1 Sep 2004 15:14
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Re: Re: Minimalist display manager

In <pan.2004.09.01.08.37.36.559852 <at> operamail.com>, Kim Carlsen wrote:

> > I've tried a script to run startx via su as the last init script, but for
> > some reason it doesn't work - something to do with Xauthority IIRC. On one
> > of my boxes I've got a similar script working from inittab, but I'd rather
> > have it as an /etc/init.d service like gdm.
> 
> *** Off topic ***
> I have tried doing something similar(but with a different approach), 
> I have tried moving the gdm to launch as the first thing in the
> background(moved it to be the first init.d script), since my desktop
> enviroment have no obvious dependencies on the rest of the system
> services, I figured it would be nice if the desktop was available
> instantly after the kernel has bootet.
> 
> This doesnt work at all since the keyboard then will be broken(not able to
> type anything). I havent been able to figure out why, is this the same
> that happens with your 'su startx'?
> If it is and you find a solution please post it.

I think your basic idea is good, a parallel boot sequence could really
speed it up. There's probably another init script to set up the keyboard
etc which you've missed, if you can just find what it is it might work.
I think Gentoo has a useful system where you can make one init script
depend on others, so if you run one before its dependencies have been
run, it will automatically run them first. I once laid awake for hours
thinking about combining the two ideas for a great new init system.

I did achieve a bit of parallelism when I was using a USB ADSL modem.
You had to initialise it first, by uploading the firmware IIRC, then run
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Kim Carlsen | 1 Sep 2004 15:25

Re: Re: Minimalist display manager

> In my case with X something different happened. I got error messages about
> this user doesn't have permission to run the X server, or something along
> those lines.
I have an option in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config, where you can set 
'allowed_users', this can be rootonly, console or anybody.

Best regards
Kim Carlsen

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Victor Kireyev | 2 Sep 2004 10:49

Re: ROX crash. Bug ?

Hello, Thomas !

 >> (gdb) run -n --g-fatal-warnings
 >> Starting program: /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/Linux-ix86/ROX-Filer -n
 >> --g-fatal-warnings
 >>
 >> ** WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Luxi Sans 10
 >> aborting...

 >Do you have Luxi Sans installed? You can choose a default font using
 >ROX-Session, or various other ways:
 >http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/RoxFaq/Fonts

    Can You halp me ?

 I created a .gtkrc-2.0 file in my home directory containing:
----------------
gtk-font-name = "Nimbus Sans L 12"
----------------
[kireyev <at> tc kireyev]$ rox
[kireyev <at> tc kireyev]$
** (ROX-Filer:21042): WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Nimbus 
Sans L, 12

    But this font exist. I have checked this by

[kireyev <at> tc kireyev]$ fc-match "Nimbus Sans L"
n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular"

 Sorry for my English...
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Thomas Leonard | 3 Sep 2004 17:07
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Re: Re: ROX crash. Bug ?

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 03:49:54PM +0700, Victor Kireyev wrote:
> Hello, Thomas !
> 
> >> (gdb) run -n --g-fatal-warnings
> >> Starting program: /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/Linux-ix86/ROX-Filer -n
> >> --g-fatal-warnings
> >>
> >> ** WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Luxi Sans 10
> >> aborting...
> 
> >Do you have Luxi Sans installed? You can choose a default font using
> >ROX-Session, or various other ways:
> >http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/RoxFaq/Fonts
> 
>    Can You halp me ?
> 
> I created a .gtkrc-2.0 file in my home directory containing:
> ----------------
> gtk-font-name = "Nimbus Sans L 12"
> ----------------
> [kireyev <at> tc kireyev]$ rox
> [kireyev <at> tc kireyev]$
> ** (ROX-Filer:21042): WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Nimbus 
> Sans L, 12
> 
>    But this font exist. I have checked this by
> 
> [kireyev <at> tc kireyev]$ fc-match "Nimbus Sans L"
> n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular"
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JoeHill | 3 Sep 2004 17:14
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DnD from Sylpheed to filer


When I try to drag an attached file from Sylpheed to the filer I get this error:

"uri_list_to_glist: Incorrect or missing line break in text/uri-list data
---
Error getting file list: No URIs in the text/uri-list (nothing to do!)"

I can go the other way, drag files to a compose window to attach, but not the
other way around.

Thanks all!

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Thomas Leonard | 3 Sep 2004 17:31
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Re: DnD from Sylpheed to filer

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:14:38AM -0400, JoeHill wrote:
> 
> When I try to drag an attached file from Sylpheed to the filer I get
> this error:
> 
> "uri_list_to_glist: Incorrect or missing line break in text/uri-list data
> ---
> Error getting file list: No URIs in the text/uri-list (nothing to do!)"
> 
> I can go the other way, drag files to a compose window to attach, but not the
> other way around.

Could it be this bug?

http://www.freedesktop.org/bin/view/Main/Draganddropwarts#Wart_3_Malformed_URIs_in_text_ur

If this is still happening with current Sylpheed versions, perhaps you
could file a bug / bring it up on their mailing list...

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Guillaume Lovet | 3 Sep 2004 21:42
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ROX-Session and settings

Hi all,
I have 2 remarks about the ROX Desktop configuration tools.

First of all, I'm wondering why one cannot set monitor related settings 
(such as screensaver or dpms) in ROX-Session config tool - in the power 
tab maybe ? or from another application sitting next to Keyboard and 
Mouse on /uri/0install/rox.sourceforge.net/apps/Configure/.

This question came to my mind because it's something I had to put in my 
~/.xsession file (I guess people commonly do things like 'xset s off' 
there) before ROX-Session execution. And precisely, ROX-Session does 
manage things that used to be in that same place (mouse speed, keyboard 
bindings, etc...).

I do know that an option to use ROX-Session for that is to create an 
AppDir per command you want to issue thx to AppFactory and symlink it 
into AutoStart (or even to put a script there with everything you want 
to get done), but I'm not sure it fits in the whole spirit... I can be 
wrong, I'm still very new to ROX / 0install.

Secondly, there's something a bit confusing about the way configuration 
tools are layered: in the ROX-Session settings tool, you find paramaters 
that will go in the Choices/ROX-Session/Options, not in 
Choices/ROX-Session/Settings.xml (!).
The parameters within Settings.xml are set by applications sitting in 
/uri/0install/rox.sourceforge.net/apps/Configure, next to Themes, which 
deals with Oroborox settings, not ROX-Session settings.
A bit bothering for my squared logical rigid mind ;)

I abandonned Gnome and went enthusiastically for ROX because I found it
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Guido Schimmels | 6 Sep 2004 02:33
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[ANN] Mouse Configuration Tool 0.8.3


The mouse configuration tool now supports setting the Xcursor theme.
Needs ROX-Session CVS.

Link:

http://roxos.sunsite.dk/dev-contrib/guido/Configure/

Changes:

2-September-2004
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(Version 0.8.3)

Allow resetting Xcursor theme to "" listet as "No Theme".
Added "Theme Folder" button to conveniently get to "~/.icons".

30-August-2004
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(Version 0.8.2)

Options for changing Xcursor theme and Xcursor size.

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Thomas Leonard | 6 Sep 2004 12:27
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Re: Where can I download Rox-2.1.3

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 03:48:25PM +0545, Dr. Sichendra Bista wrote:
> Dear Thomas:
> 
> Greetings from eParliament.org and this troubled section of the
> Himalayas!
> 
> I would love to learn from where I can download ROX-latest version
> source.

http://rox.sourceforge.net
http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallFromSource

> It would be quite unfair to undergo a zero install in our case
> due to slow net connection.

Installing using tarballs will mean downloading around three to four times
as much data you would using zero install, because Zero Install only
downloads what you actually use.

Tarballs/Debs/RPMs may be better if you want to download everything in one
go and then disconnect from the net. However, if you have a slow
connection that's always on (or it's easy to start a connection when you
need to), zero install will be better.

When I tested it, installing the ROX-Filer CVS snapshot over a mobile
phone GPRS link took 1m48s, with 265 K received, 13 K sent, although it
may fetch more if you have less of the dependancies already (eg, an icon
theme and the MIME database). The corresponding tarball is over 1Mb, using
the same compression scheme.
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