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Gabriel Green | 1 Apr 2007 03:07
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Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

Can you help me with this?  I must say, I am not a developer--merely a
curious IT manager at the customer's company....  Our vendor supports me
fully in my learning endeavors, so long as I am careful with the production
system.

What does the UV.VI verb look like on UNIX UniVerse?

Could you provide me with some sample BASIC code to do this if it's not too
difficult?  This assumes that vim, the console version (which appears to be
the best option) is in the Windows PATH.

By the way, I am reading through JES' "Pick/BASIC, a Programmer's Guide" --
this is an excellent text.  Does anyone have other recommendation for a
beginner to look at?

We're using PICK-flavored UV 10.2 on Windows 2003 Server x64 edition.
Moving from MVBASE 1.3 was one of the best decisions my company has ever
made... the speed and stability improved immeasurably. :)

Thanks again,
Gabe

On 3/30/07, Ray Wurlod <rayw <at> mindless.com> wrote:
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> Create the same UV.VI verb that UniVerse on UNIX has.  It could be a
> paragraph or PROC, but a BASIC program (verb) is likely to be more
> robust.  This sets a READU lock on the record and copies it to /tmp using a
> generated and guaranteed unique name.  It then invokes vi on the file in
> /tmp and waits till vi exits before comparing the old and new versions.  If
> there is a change, the original record is updated/deleted.  In all cases the
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MAJ Programming | 1 Apr 2007 16:19
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Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

I"m curious about your experience with MvBase. I have a client with 1.3 on a
W2K system and it's stable as expected.

Thanks
Mark Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gabriel Green" <gabegreen <at> gmail.com>
To: <u2-users <at> listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

> Can you help me with this?  I must say, I am not a developer--merely a
> curious IT manager at the customer's company....  Our vendor supports me
> fully in my learning endeavors, so long as I am careful with the
production
> system.
>
> What does the UV.VI verb look like on UNIX UniVerse?
>
> Could you provide me with some sample BASIC code to do this if it's not
too
> difficult?  This assumes that vim, the console version (which appears to
be
> the best option) is in the Windows PATH.
>
> By the way, I am reading through JES' "Pick/BASIC, a Programmer's
Guide" --
> this is an excellent text.  Does anyone have other recommendation for a
> beginner to look at?
>
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Gabriel Green | 1 Apr 2007 17:31
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Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

Here were our problems with MvBase:

1. Crashing.  The workstation service, whether run as a service or
application, would crash almost daily. 133 connectivity licenses.  Not the
server, just the workstation service.  Now, this is planning to be phased
out, but most of our users come in over frame relay with 15 year old ADDS
terminals connected to Cisco routers with serial port servers built in or
Systech port servers.  You can look in the logs on those devices for these
terminals and see how much noise there are on those lines.  UniVerse handles
bad connections more robustly, it appears.  And because it spawns one
process for each interactive user, a few noisy lines and disconnects don't
bring the whole system down.  For reference, we had all the patches applied
and I had to reboot the server every night.  And sometimes wake up at 5:00
because it crashed and our east coast locations were open.  Not fun.

I tried every suggestion on every Pick-related newsgroup I could, as did our
vendor....
A Filesave/Fileload would sometimes make things a little better but it was
beyond impractical to have to do this every night.

Now as for the ADDS terminals, they still cause problems.  I am pretty close
to getting my boss to go the thin client route, but I'm going to have to
keep beating that drum.  Our few locations with thin clients and TCP/IP from
the get-go never have the connectivity problems our locations with terminals
do.  UniVerse has never crashed on us, we switched to it in January.

The crashing problems were worse on Pentium III Xeon hardware but ultimately
as our vendor predicted, just throwing hardware at the problem didn't fix
it.
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brian | 1 Apr 2007 18:46
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Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

Hi

> What does the UV.VI verb look like on UNIX UniVerse?

Can't remember exactly, but a verb pointer to call an executable on Windows is:

1> V
2> myprog.exe
3> U

For example, to call BLAT.exe (excellent SMTP client)

BLAT
1>V
2>BLAT.exe
3>U

> By the way, I am reading through JES' "Pick/BASIC, a Programmer's Guide" --
this is an excellent text.  Does anyone have other recommendation for a
beginner to look at?

It doesn't help you now :( but the U2UG board are actively working on some learning materials for newcomers
to UniVerse/UniData.
Keep watching this space.

Welcome to the group.

Brian
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MAJ Programming | 1 Apr 2007 21:20
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Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

My client's Mvbase system is running 30 licenses, all using MvTerm as the
emulator. Zero Adds terminals.

I think the condemnation of MvBase is the connectivity. I have other clients
with serial terminals with Systech controllers that are fine.

Perhaps the combination of all of the devices caused a lot of finger
pointing and Mvbase was the scapegoat considering it's an older MV database.

I'm not a great proponent for Mvbase (I'd perfer to use D3 for these
clients). But in this case it got voted off the island by taking the blame
for things beyond its control.

My 1 cent
Mark Johnson
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From: "Gabriel Green" <gabegreen <at> gmail.com>
To: <u2-users <at> listserver.u2ug.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

> Here were our problems with MvBase:
>
> 1. Crashing.  The workstation service, whether run as a service or
> application, would crash almost daily. 133 connectivity licenses.  Not the
> server, just the workstation service.  Now, this is planning to be phased
> out, but most of our users come in over frame relay with 15 year old ADDS
> terminals connected to Cisco routers with serial port servers built in or
> Systech port servers.  You can look in the logs on those devices for these
> terminals and see how much noise there are on those lines.  UniVerse
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Gabriel Green | 1 Apr 2007 22:34
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Re: [U2] VI on Windows UniVerse

You have to understand that my company is, let's euphemistically say, budget
conscious.  The cabling in our locations is old.  I'd be laughed at if I
said, you know, that cabling is old and I'm seeing a lot of noise on those
lines, and some of them I'd discovered had been chewed through by rats.
Let's replace all the clips and cat5 cabling in every location.

In any case, UniVerse handles dirty/misbehaving connections better.  There
is no one, single process serving the clients to go bad and crash--only
individual telnet server processes.  Makes troubleshooting a lot easier...

Bottom line is that we needed a solution and buying UniVerse was a lot
cheaper than buying 120ish thin clients (which we'll eventually have to do
anyway)....

For reasons other than stability I'm glad we made the move.

Gabe

On 4/1/07, MAJ Programming <majprogramming <at> comcast.net> wrote:
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> My client's Mvbase system is running 30 licenses, all using MvTerm as the
> emulator. Zero Adds terminals.
>
> I think the condemnation of MvBase is the connectivity. I have other
> clients
> with serial terminals with Systech controllers that are fine.
>
> Perhaps the combination of all of the devices caused a lot of finger
> pointing and Mvbase was the scapegoat considering it's an older MV
> database.
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Gabriel Green | 2 Apr 2007 09:36
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[U2] OT? PS/2 keyboard adapters for ADDS terminals.

I can't seem to get ahold of anyone at Boundless technologies--who seem to
have inheirited the ADDS line.

Most of our sites are in other parts of the country.  The terminals we have
on-site where I work use PS/2 style keyboards, although it is my
understanding that some of them use RJ-11 style keyboards.  I was told that
there are adapters for the RJ-11 style terminals to accept PS/2 style
keyboards, but I cannot seem to find them and Boundless never returns my
calls.

Does anyone know a good source for these, and do they actually exist?  Let
me know, either privately or through the list.

Thanks again,
Gabe
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Anita Panda | 2 Apr 2007 13:37
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Re: [U2] PARAGRAPHS

when I am doing the same thing all the code  which are in capital letters 
are getting converted  to small  case letters and vice versa.

Anita Panda
Tata Consultancy Services
Plot  B-1, Block EP & GP
Sector - V, Salt Lake Electronics Complex
Kolkata - 700 091,West Bengal
India
Mailto: anita.panda <at> tcs.com
Website: http://www.tcs.com

"Anthony W. Youngman" <u2 <at> thewolery.demon.co.uk> 
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03/30/2007 09:59 PM
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Re: [U2] PARAGRAPHS

In message <460CFFB5.3020704 <at> pobox.com>, Allen Egerton 
<aegerton <at> pobox.com> writes
>Anita Panda wrote:
>> I have received  a paragraph say PARA.WORDS in a notepad.How can i 
>>get the  content of PARA.WORDS into my universe system VOC file
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Charles Barouch | 2 Apr 2007 13:48

Re: [U2] OT? PS/2 keyboard adapters for ADDS terminals.

Gabriel,
     Here's several ways to reach Boundless. Maybe you you're getting 
shuttled off to the wrong department?

   Boundless
   50 Engineers Lane, Unit 2
   Farmingdale, NY 11735-1208
   Email Sales: Sales <at> boundless.com
   Company Phone: 1-800-231-5445 or 1-631-962-1500
   Fax 1-631-962-1505
Sales
   Don DeMichele  (NY, US)  1-631-962-1460
   John Ostenda  (SC, US)  1-803-381-8705
   Ken Cadigan  (NY, US)  1-631-962-1485
   Derrick Holloway  (UK)  011-44-121-580-8933

    - Chuck "Boundless" Barouch

Gabriel Green wrote:
> Boundless never returns my calls.
>   
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    Charles Barouch (Results <at> KeyAlly.com)
    www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1
    P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354
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Charles Barouch | 2 Apr 2007 14:10

Re: [U2] PARAGRAPHS

Anita,
     You need to either type the following at TCL or incorporate it into 
your LOGIN paragraph:

PTERM CASE NOINVERT

     This will force the caps lock (and cut & paste) from reversing the 
capitalization.

     - Chuck

Anita Panda wrote:
> when I am doing the same thing all the code  which are in capital letters 
> are getting converted  to small  case letters and vice versa.
>   
    Charles Barouch (Results <at> KeyAlly.com)
    www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1
    P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354
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