Martín Marcucci | 2 Sep 22:05 2009
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Proposal

Hi again, I have been reading code, but I have a lot to learn and understand.

I'm wonder if some of the admins of the project can draft down some main Ideas for a road map or Golas of Ktechlab. Then everyone suggest modifications, ideas or step to follow to achieve the goals.

In other mail, Alan said that it would be good to re-write the component system to be database driven. Then it will be nesesary to make a format for components properties to be stored in the database, so, for example, i would suggest to try to follow the structure of pspice models so it will be very simple to add a lot of components...
Then, the image of the components can be sgv file stored in the database so them can be easily drawn, and so on.

I think that all have very good ideas, so try to put them all together and discus.

Can the road map be in the webpage for a better reading?

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P Zoltan | 2 Sep 22:34 2009
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Re: Proposal


  Agreed. We need to write down ideas (and documentation, also). I think  
the best place would be ktechlab wiki ( wiki.ktechlab.org ), but currently  
it's not functional. So I'm asking the site admin, when can we have a  
working wiki?

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:05:57 +0200, Martín Marcucci <rmarku <at> gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi again, I have been reading code, but I have a lot to learn and
> understand.
>
> I'm wonder if some of the admins of the project can draft down some main
> Ideas for a road map or Golas of Ktechlab. Then everyone suggest
> modifications, ideas or step to follow to achieve the goals.
>
> In other mail, Alan said that it would be good to re-write the component
> system to be database driven. Then it will be nesesary to make a format  
> for
> components properties to be stored in the database, so, for example, i  
> would
> suggest to try to follow the structure of pspice models so it will be  
> very
> simple to add a lot of components...
> Then, the image of the components can be sgv file stored in the database  
> so
> them can be easily drawn, and so on.
>
> I think that all have very good ideas, so try to put them all together  
> and
> discus.
>
> Can the road map be in the webpage for a better reading?
>

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P Zoltan | 9 Sep 19:32 2009
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ktechlab project homepage from sourceforge


  The link on this page :
   http://sourceforge.net/projects/ktechlab/

  to the project homepage is:
   http://www.ktechlab.org/

  but on that address the wesite cannot be accessed. Only on
    http://ktechlab.org

  This should be fixed, either by changeing the site address on  
sourceforge, or by adding a redirection from www.ktechlab.org to  
ktechlab.org. It makes a bad impression for new users.

  Zoltan

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Matthew Ayres | 11 Sep 17:07 2009
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PIC simulation

I've been hoping to use KTechLab to learn a bit about PIC programming without having to actually invest in the hardware yet.  To that end I loaded a simple program into the PIC component in the circuit designer, just a little LED blinker for the 16F627.

The problem is that, although pins RA0-7 and RB0-7 were present, there were no V pins!  Consequently I could not power the chip in the simulation.  Why would this be?  What can I do about it?

Thank you.

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Zoltan Padrah | 11 Sep 19:09 2009
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Re: PIC simulation


I guess the supply pins are not needed. You could simulate the circuit without them. Or it doesn't work?

2009/9/11 Matthew Ayres <solar.granulation-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
I've been hoping to use KTechLab to learn a bit about PIC programming without having to actually invest in the hardware yet.  To that end I loaded a simple program into the PIC component in the circuit designer, just a little LED blinker for the 16F627.

The problem is that, although pins RA0-7 and RB0-7 were present, there were no V pins!  Consequently I could not power the chip in the simulation.  Why would this be?  What can I do about it?

Thank you.

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Matthew Ayres | 11 Sep 19:23 2009
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Re: PIC simulation

It doesn't work, so presumably they are needed.  I could find no other pins that would do the job.

Could it be that this is an oversight in whatever template or other system is used for PIC simulation?  Would the fault lie in gpsim?

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Zoltan Padrah <zoltan.padrah-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

I guess the supply pins are not needed. You could simulate the circuit without them. Or it doesn't work?

2009/9/11 Matthew Ayres <solar.granulation <at> gmail.com>
I've been hoping to use KTechLab to learn a bit about PIC programming without having to actually invest in the hardware yet.  To that end I loaded a simple program into the PIC component in the circuit designer, just a little LED blinker for the 16F627.

The problem is that, although pins RA0-7 and RB0-7 were present, there were no V pins!  Consequently I could not power the chip in the simulation.  Why would this be?  What can I do about it?

Thank you.

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P Zoltan | 11 Sep 20:29 2009
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Re: PIC simulation


  No, the're not needed. Something else is the problem. I've tested it with  
the SVN version and works for me (tm). :)

  The PIC component can be simply dragged in a circuit, press the load  
button, load your program, then press the "play" button at the bottom of  
the PIC. After that the voltage on the pins of the pic should change.

  I'm attaching a flowcode that makes 1 pin of the pic change its state in  
0.5sec.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:23:51 +0200, Matthew Ayres  
<solar.granulation@...> wrote:

> It doesn't work, so presumably they are needed.  I could find no other  
> pins
> that would do the job.
>
> Could it be that this is an oversight in whatever template or other  
> system
> is used for PIC simulation?  Would the fault lie in gpsim?
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Zoltan Padrah  
> <zoltan.padrah@...>wrote:
>
>>
>> I guess the supply pins are not needed. You could simulate the circuit
>> without them. Or it doesn't work?
>>
>> 2009/9/11 Matthew Ayres <solar.granulation@...>
>>
>>> I've been hoping to use KTechLab to learn a bit about PIC programming
>>> without having to actually invest in the hardware yet.  To that end I  
>>> loaded
>>> a simple program into the PIC component in the circuit designer, just a
>>> little LED blinker for the 16F627.
>>>
>>> The problem is that, although pins RA0-7 and RB0-7 were present, there
>>> were no V pins!  Consequently I could not power the chip in the  
>>> simulation.
>>> Why would this be?  What can I do about it?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
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Matthew Ayres | 11 Sep 20:44 2009
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Re: PIC simulation

This is quite interesting, as the flowcode does indeed work as you say.

Now I'm at a total loss, though, as to why the .cod file I was using doesn't.  Under gpsim's standalone interface it seems to work perfectly.  Since this was a test of KTechLab rather than my understanding of PIC code I used an example from this web page: http://www.micahcarrick.com/04-19-2005/pic-programming-linux.html

Oh, um, if the chip doesn't have V pins, isn't that a little unrealistic?  As I say I'm new to the world of PIC programming!

Thanks for illuminating this further.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM, P Zoltan <zoltan.padrah-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

 No, the're not needed. Something else is the problem. I've tested it with the SVN version and works for me (tm). :)

 The PIC component can be simply dragged in a circuit, press the load button, load your program, then press the "play" button at the bottom of the PIC. After that the voltage on the pins of the pic should change.

 I'm attaching a flowcode that makes 1 pin of the pic change its state in 0.5sec.




On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:23:51 +0200, Matthew Ayres <solar.granulation-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

It doesn't work, so presumably they are needed.  I could find no other pins
that would do the job.

Could it be that this is an oversight in whatever template or other system
is used for PIC simulation?  Would the fault lie in gpsim?

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Zoltan Padrah <zoltan.padrah-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote:


I guess the supply pins are not needed. You could simulate the circuit
without them. Or it doesn't work?

2009/9/11 Matthew Ayres <solar.granulation-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

I've been hoping to use KTechLab to learn a bit about PIC programming
without having to actually invest in the hardware yet.  To that end I loaded
a simple program into the PIC component in the circuit designer, just a
little LED blinker for the 16F627.

The problem is that, although pins RA0-7 and RB0-7 were present, there
were no V pins!  Consequently I could not power the chip in the simulation.
Why would this be?  What can I do about it?

Thank you.


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P Zoltan | 11 Sep 21:13 2009
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Re: PIC simulation

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:44:29 +0200, Matthew Ayres  
<solar.granulation@...> wrote:

> This is quite interesting, as the flowcode does indeed work as you say.
>
> Now I'm at a total loss, though, as to why the .cod file I was using
> doesn't.  Under gpsim's standalone interface it seems to work perfectly.
> Since this was a test of KTechLab rather than my understanding of PIC  
> code I
> used an example from this web page:
> http://www.micahcarrick.com/04-19-2005/pic-programming-linux.html

If you run the program in ktechlab, step by step, it will still work.   
However, here is no delay in that example between setting the port low and  
high, so you will not be able to see the actual voltage change (there are  
some gliches too, in ktechlab, because a current appeares on the pin, not  
voltage...).  Also look at the cpu usage when simulating it in ktechlab...  
it will be quite high, because here's no delay.

>
> Oh, um, if the chip doesn't have V pins, isn't that a little unrealistic?
> As I say I'm new to the world of PIC programming!

  I never programmed a pic... In my opinion, for digital circuits, it's not  
that essential to have the supplies represented. A sane design shouldn't  
play with supplies.

>
> Thanks for illuminating this further.
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM, P Zoltan <zoltan.padrah@...>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>  No, the're not needed. Something else is the problem. I've tested it  
>> with
>> the SVN version and works for me (tm). :)
>>
>>  The PIC component can be simply dragged in a circuit, press the load
>> button, load your program, then press the "play" button at the bottom  
>> of the
>> PIC. After that the voltage on the pins of the pic should change.
>>
>>  I'm attaching a flowcode that makes 1 pin of the pic change its state  
>> in
>> 0.5sec.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:23:51 +0200, Matthew Ayres <
>> solar.granulation@...> wrote:
>>
>>  It doesn't work, so presumably they are needed.  I could find no other
>>> pins
>>> that would do the job.
>>>
>>> Could it be that this is an oversight in whatever template or other  
>>> system
>>> is used for PIC simulation?  Would the fault lie in gpsim?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Zoltan Padrah <zoltan.padrah@...
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I guess the supply pins are not needed. You could simulate the circuit
>>>> without them. Or it doesn't work?
>>>>
>>>> 2009/9/11 Matthew Ayres <solar.granulation@...>
>>>>
>>>>  I've been hoping to use KTechLab to learn a bit about PIC programming
>>>>> without having to actually invest in the hardware yet.  To that end I
>>>>> loaded
>>>>> a simple program into the PIC component in the circuit designer,  
>>>>> just a
>>>>> little LED blinker for the 16F627.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that, although pins RA0-7 and RB0-7 were present,  
>>>>> there
>>>>> were no V pins!  Consequently I could not power the chip in the
>>>>> simulation.
>>>>> Why would this be?  What can I do about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Alan Grimes | 11 Sep 21:38 2009
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plz put a property in SR flipflop! =P

I'm a bit too lame to do this myself, but I need a Property set up so
that I can change the new m_pol variable in SVN head (ECSRFlipFlop).

I need it to further improve my DAC circuit. =P

Ideally, the graphic would also display a bar (or at least a ') over the
inverted inputs.

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