Re: "Autopackage struggling to gain acceptance"
Mike Hearn <mike@...
2007-02-13 20:21:42 GMT
> A good idea WILL withstand the test of time, competition and disbelief if
> the advocates continue to evangelize at any given opportunity, through
> whatever means necessary.
Spoken like a true salesman ;)
> Think about it... if we (each of us, EVERYONE of us) simply convert just ONE
> person per year to autopackage, in 13 years we would have 4000+ users. In 33
> years, we would have the WORLD. (of course, at that point of time, would
> people still install programs into their harddisk? beats me, hehe...)
Haha, the grain of rice philosophy, I like it :)
> There is a saying in my industry... when a winner makes a decision, the odds
> don't count, the challenges don't count, people's opinions don't count, the
> facts don't count, the current objections don't count, the circumstances
> don't count, the lack of money doesn't count... NOTHING counts except the
> winner's decision.
It must be a fascinating industry to work in when the facts don't count!
> Next, I like the comment... how about getting Google to release Google
> Earth, Linux Picasa etc. as autopackages?
I think Picasa packaging is handled by CodeWeavers not Google. We
discussed it at the time, but basically apps shipped by Google have:
a] No dependencies on anything outside of libc and X
b] Little or no desktop integration (menus, etc)
c] Root vs user is not really relevant as they always install as user
So the primary benefits offered by autopackage don't really apply, and
there's not much reason to move to anything else given that users
don't expect/demand it. Like, it's acceptable for an app on Linux to
have no menu entries or icons. If you tried that on Windows/Mac, it
wouldn't be accepted, but on Linux it is.
Actually I'm not sure about [b] for Picasa. CodeWeavers have this
tremendously complex set of Perl scripts that handle menus so they
might have reused that.
> I think it makes sense since Google products are NOT available in any
> repository anywhere. Naturally, whether we can get Google Linux guys to do
> it depends a lot on our dearest Mike Hearn...
Well, I am not really going to argue this, we could ship them with no
installers at all and I doubt anybody would care or notice.
Expectations for ISV software on Linux are really low. Also, Dan Kegel
is more involved with this stuff than me and he is a big fan of the
LSB. We argue about it frequently ;)
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