Steven Adeff | 1 Jun 2003 04:12
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Re: Re: artist > album listing

yea, i have the same problem. My collection is massive, I have some artists 
with like 10 albums. I already posted my specs, and I have another 53gigs of 
albums to sort....

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Steven Adeff

On Saturday 31 May 2003 02:32 pm, John Dennett wrote:
> I'm enthusiastically in favor of this as well.  When you're managing a
> collection this large...
>
> 	33564 Tracks	3820 Artists	2441:16:52
> 	2711 Albums	25 Genres	157.32 GB
>
> ...the current view of artist > tracks is nearly useless.
>
> Cheers!
> John

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Gareth Western | 1 Jun 2003 18:19
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audio files outside the webserver?

Hi,
    Could someone briefly explain what I would need to do in order for netjuke to read audio files outside of the webserver directory? or do I have to copy every file into the www\netjuke\var\music folder? I'm using Apache and WinXP Pro. Sorry for the newbieness of the question. Thanks for any help!
            ~Gaz
Timothy Johnson | 1 Jun 2003 21:35
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Blank Pages

I was just wondering what happened to netjuke.it used to be that when
you click a song to be played. it would open the player without changing
the broswer page, but now it seems that is goes to a blank browser page
and thens plays. so I have to hit the back button. is this just a glitch
on my machine, or was it done for a reason.
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Chris Rose | 1 Jun 2003 23:53
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I hate to sound like a broken record...

But, i wouldn't mind getting at bare minimum a "We haven't got the 
foggiest why our amazing app doesn't work on your system, find and fix 
the problem yourself, wanker!"

Has anyone else had problems with the inc-common.php problem i've asked 
about a couple of times already?  Or am i unique and shit outta luck?

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Blake Watters | 2 Jun 2003 00:17
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Re: Re[2]: Netjuke 1.0b18-pre3 Released!

Hi all -

I'm freshly back from OSCOM at Harvard and running through all the e-mail 
I've missed over the last few days. I'd never believe it if I wasn't there, 
but Harvard Law School was unable to supply us with ANY Internet activity 
during the conference. My interactive Netjuke tutorial was reduced to a 
philosophical overview of the current system and where we're headed -- it 
was mighty limiting. But even so, I made a lot of nice contacts and drummed 
up some new support for Netjuke. We'll soon be adding MSSQL and Access 
support to our list of databases -- I found a person who is willing to 
spearhead the port. This should bode well for our users that aren't 
sysadmins :)

Anyhow, now on to more substantive matters:

1) AMG.com support will NEVER be integrated into the main codebase. We've 
touched on this before, but for those who weren't around for that 
discussion -- take a look at AMG's Terms of Use: 
http://www.allmusic.com/com/amg/tou.html They explicitly prohibit the 
dismantling and dissemination of their content and place various other 
Byzantine restrictions on what you can do with their service. Personally, I 
find their metadata policies rather offensive and refuse to support their 
efforts. And besides, I'm not interested in getting Netjuke embroiled in a 
licensing struggle with anyone. And there's no way in hell I'm going to 
license access to their databases. We WILL be supporting MusicBrainz 
because it is super cool, Open Source, and has the potential to eventually 
eclipse AMG with proper support. Netjuke will support the submission of new 
metadata to the MusicBrainz effort in addition to being able to query their 
service. This point is not up for discussion :) If you want to take matters 
into your own hands and hack support for AMG into Netjuke, then by all 
means go right ahead, but you will be responsible for maintaining the patch 
as our main development tree moves forward.

At 07:31 PM 5/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wednesday 28 May 2003 05:15 am, Florian Maul wrote:
> > I remember having seen something similar here but I can't recreate it at
> > the moment. Does this happen in any genre with any artists and any
> > album?
>
>so far yes. I have a lot of genres and a lot of artists, so I'm not going to
>check them all, but if I find one where this problem does not crop up I'll
>email you.
>
>
> > My thoughts exactly. I just hesitated removing it since I'm don't know
> > if anyone is using the pop up window function right now, for e.g.
> > browsing through alphabet or artists with leaving the pop up window
> > open.
>
>true. since the pop-up feature is already there, why not make this an option?
>Add the ability to not use pop ups and have it so the user can decide.

This should be an option. I find the popups useful at times (editing, etc) 
and I'm sure others do too.

> > The first problem with that will be that netjuke doesn't now if an
> > album is complete. Determining this accurately is not very easy
> > whereas an "if (tracks > 6)" would do the trick in most cases. Not
> > having any single track presented as album would be a step up though,
> > at least with a collection of your size.
>
>I see your point. Let me add another feature I've talked to Blake about that
>would solve this... AllMusicGuide/MusicBrainz interactivity. I have some more
>thoughts on this since I'm forced to use XP at work, I use Windows Media
>Player which integrates AMG.com. I'd still rather see AMG.com integration
>than musicbrainz, it has a lot more useful information... so I'm going to
>assume amg.com usage...
>First, set up the database to store more than just the id3 tag info. Let it
>store the online review, main genre and sub genre's, etc. all the information
>possible(whether or not the user decides to store it...). Also let it store
>information like the total number of tracks in an album and if the whole
>album is in the database. This way the database can determine whether to show
>the album as a link or as independent tracks because it doesn't have all of
>them, and even add a feature so that an album that is say two tracks short of
>the total 14 can be considered "complete" (the admin can say an album is
>complete even if it isn't).
>Anyway, I'm sure you can see the rest of the advantages this type of
>integration brings...

I don't think I like this idea of a complete album. This sort of scheme 
could easily seem 'magical' to end users and alienate or confuse them. 
Consistency is priority number one from an interface perspective.

> > As for selecting multiple albums (of an artists) at once using
> > check boxes: I think it would be nice but we have not much space left
> > in the userinterface. I don't want the userinterface become too crowded
> > with buttons and checkboxes.
>
>I'm just saying when the list is of the albums a certain artist has, in this
>specific case there is plenty of room for the check box.
>

Where specifically are you talking about having these checkboxes?

> > Do you mean column ordering of the explore view?
>
>yes
>
> > Interesting idea, but I don't see that being implemented in the near
> > future since there are so many other things to work on atm.
>
>yea, I just wanna throw the idea out there =)
>

Thanks,
Blake

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Blake Watters | 2 Jun 2003 00:20
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Re: Netjuke 1.0b18-pre3 Released!

Ahh, I follow your ordering suggestion. I want those columns to be user 
selectable anyway, so ordering isn't such an unreasonable idea. I'll keep 
thinking about what to do with messaging, etc in the community section. We 
just need to carefully plan these sorts of peripheral features to avoid bloat.

Blake

At 08:50 PM 5/30/2003 -0400, Steven Adeff wrote:
>On Friday 30 May 2003 06:58 pm, Blake Watters wrote:
> > Yeah I noticed this while I was at 20,000 feet on Tuesday morning. It's
> > already been fixed and pushed into CVS. It was the result of my fix for the
> > multiple entries for the same album in explore view.
>awesome
>
> > I'm planning major preference changes for the UI in b19. Popup windows,
> > fields shown in search view, etc will all become options. For now the
> > codebase is frozen until b18 is out the door, but we'll be getting on this
> > real soon now.
>cool, I can wait =)
>
> > Hmm, this is an interesting idea. One solution may be to couple this option
> > with the explore view -- having searches be returned to the explore page
> > rather than the flat track display. This way, a search would result in a
> > table of albums by the artist (if searching for an artist), genres they
> > belong too, etc. This would also allow for switching to the traditional
> > track view via the List All buttons in the table headers. I resist the idea
> > of the admin having a checkbox to control how the tracks are presented to
> > the user -- this is a user preference and should behave as such. I've been
> > thinking long and hard on how to handle the "Various Artist" (or as I call
> > it, the Compilation) problem. I don't think hardcoding this sort of logic
> > is the right answer, but I don't have the solution just yet. Thoughts?
>
>As far as regular albums, I agree, it should be a user option, with a default
>for the system(obviously). The display of this setting I agree with how you
>state it too.
>As far as handling Compilation albums, it is a tough call. I personally would
>want to see a link to the album like the others, with a note of some sort
>saying its a compilation. But I could see how some people might want it
>another way, so maybe the answer is to set it up as an option for the user to
>decide. I can see how this many options is a pain in the ass, but at the same
>time, the ability to have software work for more than one type of person is
>what I like about open source software =)
>
> > I don't follow quite what you mean here.
>when you get a track listing for an album or an artist, the columns are
>ordered like this:
><options><Track Name><Time><Artist><Album><Track #><Genre>
>I'd like to be able to change the ordering of the columns. I can see keeping
>the options column first as a constant, but I think the other columns should
>be user configurable as far as the order they are displayed.
>
>
> > This sort of thing is in the pipeline as well. I want the Community section
> > to really come alive in the future, but we need to carefully spec out the
> > features -- resisting bloat is as important as putting in good community
> > features. Perhaps we should store AIM/Jabber/ICQ or some such information
> > and just facilitate messaging? I'm not quite sure what the answer will be.
> > I'd like to hear everyone's take on it before we start cutting code.
>
>yea. I could really care less about a deeply involved message system, I'm
>thinking more of a mail type system. Specifically so my friends can flag a
>track that might be cut short or bad quality so I can fix/delete it. But it
>would also be neat if you could send "listen to this track" kind of messages.
>But I agree, it something that can wait until the necessary stuff is
>completed.
>
>
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Chris Rose | 2 Jun 2003 01:29
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Re: I hate to sound like a broken record...

Nothing, anymore.  After a whole lot of pounding my head against the 
wall, i finally figured out how to get the error message that the 
adodbconnection was returning (so sue me, i'm not a php developer :)

And, it happens that i was simply not giving my netjuke user access to 
the DB properly.  Now, all is well.

Blake Watters wrote:

> Hmm, ask the question again. I seem to have missed your message.
> 
> Blake
> 
> At 03:53 PM 6/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> 
>> But, i wouldn't mind getting at bare minimum a "We haven't got the 
>> foggiest why our amazing app doesn't work on your system, find and fix 
>> the problem yourself, wanker!"
>>
>> Has anyone else had problems with the inc-common.php problem i've 
>> asked about a couple of times already?  Or am i unique and shit outta 
>> luck?
>>
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Steven Adeff | 2 Jun 2003 04:12
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Re: Re[2]: Netjuke 1.0b18-pre3 Released!

On Sunday 01 June 2003 06:17 pm, Blake Watters wrote:
> 1) AMG.com support will NEVER be integrated into the main codebase. We've
> touched on this before, but for those who weren't around for that
> discussion -- take a look at AMG's Terms of Use:

fair, discussion ended.

> This should be an option. I find the popups useful at times (editing, etc)
> and I'm sure others do too.

I don't use netjuke to edit tags, but I could see this as a useful pop-up. I'm 
thinking more along the lines of the Random selector popup window. javascript 
alert, while annoying, is necessary, so I can understand leaving those.

> I don't think I like this idea of a complete album. This sort of scheme
> could easily seem 'magical' to end users and alienate or confuse them.
> Consistency is priority number one from an interface perspective.

I don't understand how having album links instead of listing all tracks could 
alienate or confuse. It is already somewhat implemented if you choose an 
artist from the genre browser.

> Where specifically are you talking about having these checkboxes?

when the list of albums is displayed, check boxes next to them if you want to 
add those albums to a playlist. it would make it quick and easy.

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Chris Rose | 3 Jun 2003 17:23
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Downsampling streamed audio (mp3s)

I'm kind of stuck - with regards to my collection - with large, 
high-quality mp3s.  What i want to know is, is there any way to 
automatically downsample the mp3s that netjuke sends, so that i don't 
have to pull so much data?

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Matt McClure | 3 Jun 2003 17:37
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Re: Downsampling streamed audio (mp3s)

On 6/3/2003 11:23, Chris Rose wrote:
> I'm kind of stuck - with regards to my collection - with large, 
> high-quality mp3s.  What i want to know is, is there any way to 
> automatically downsample the mp3s that netjuke sends, so that i don't
>  have to pull so much data?

Within the last 6 months or so, someone posted some code to do this.
Try the archives.

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