Re: RFC?/RFV? : A little mistake in Capitalization Standard Vietnamese
Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...
2010-01-07 14:21:49 GMT
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:52,
> Hello, this is Tristan coming here from an edit note  after seeing work undone by a new style rule.
> Even if I'm convinced it has little chance to change anything, I would like to point out that current
Capitalization Standard Vietnamese  is wrong about using english no space style before "!:;?".
> I found no official source backing up the current rule that says ''No space before "!:;?" punctuations''
no I ever saw any such official source on MB.
> Capitalization Standard Vietnamese  should advocate the use of space before "!:;?" punctuation.
> A. I bought the primary school official scholar books  they are all consistently using spaces.
Um... all the ones in the section supporting the space style use a
space, which happen to be the books you bought. However, if you
recall, the math, physics and a number of other books do *not* use the
space style and some of these are even from the same publisher as your
primary school books.
> B. References used to back up the nospace rule are not official (only statistics or software guidelines).
No official guidance whatsoever has been found, probably because none
has been given. However, whatever official guidelines might exist are
in practice ignored, as is evident from the inconsistent usage.
> B1. How does one explain so many spaces everywhere if it was english style. Doing the same statistics on
officially english style languages wouldn't get such a high space percentage.
My guess is that usage has changed over time and that French style is
going out, but still appears occasionally.
> B2. VnTex document comes from outside Vietnam and is just observing the same as the statistics.
Yes, but it shows that my little survey was not a fluke, this is
simply the way Vietnamese is normally written in digital form.
>  http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
>  I have this 1999 edition
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese as well as the 2009 latest
edition which includes updated books as well as new books. They are published and printed by the ministry
of education and training. Subjects ranging from Vietnamese language, math, physics, poetry (all
classical primary school subjects)
>  http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11765108
Do we still have a style leader? I and Tristan will not find consensus
on this issue because we have different criteria of what is relevant
input into a MB style guide. Instead of endless metadiscussion to find
consensus on the criteria I would like some kind of action from the
style council (whatever/whoever that is).