MusicBrainz style discussion ()

lorenz pressler | 5 Jan 2010 22:27

Re: Audiobook Style Proposal, Mark I


just some thoughts:

"(feat. narrator: Rock Hardfoot)" feels so bulky why not "(read by Frederike
Schönton)" or "spoken by"..

also i really don't want english annotations on my german audiobooks and
vica versa so i would prefer "(gelesen von Name)"

for titles:
i'd prefer
Story/Bookname: [Chapter_Numeral | "Chapter_Titel",] [Part_Numeral |
"Track_Title"]

examples:
no chapter no tracktitel given:
The Lime Works: Chapter 2, Part 1

chapter title, no tracktitel:
The Lime Works: The Dawn of the Style, Part 1

chapter title and tracktitel given:
The Lime Works: The Dawn of the Style, "undreamed-of possibilities"

german numbering:
Das Kalkwerk: Kapitel 2, Teil 2

why include the story/bookname? because some audiobooks include several
short stories.

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Pavan Chander | 5 Jan 2010 22:59

Re: Audiobook Style Proposal, Mark I

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:27 PM, lorenz pressler <lop-RbZlAiThDcE@public.gmane.org> wrote:

why include the story/bookname? because some audiobooks include several
short stories.

So then why not include the story/bookname only in the cases where that kind of disambiguation is necessary?

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Philip Jägenstedt | 5 Jan 2010 23:44

Re: RFV: Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 07:15, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote:
> If there are no objections before 2010-01-02 (2 weeks), the text at
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
> will be made official and moved to
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese

Time's up, it's official!

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Philip Jägenstedt | 5 Jan 2010 23:52

Re: RFV: Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 23:44, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 07:15, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote:
>> If there are no objections before 2010-01-02 (2 weeks), the text at
>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
>> will be made official and moved to
>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
>
> Time's up, it's official!

Could a http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Transclusion_Editor please help me
make the "This page has not been reviewed by our documentation team
(more info)." note on
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese go away?

Thanks.

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Pavan Chander | 6 Jan 2010 00:00

Re: RFV: Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Philip Jägenstedt <philip <at> foolip.org> wrote:

Could a http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Transclusion_Editor please help me
make the "This page has not been reviewed by our documentation team
(more info)." note on
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese go away?

Done.

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Philip Jägenstedt | 6 Jan 2010 14:06

Re: RFV: Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 23:44, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 07:15, Philip Jägenstedt <philip@...> wrote:
>> If there are no objections before 2010-01-02 (2 weeks), the text at
>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
>> will be made official and moved to
>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
>
> Time's up, it's official!
>
> --
> Philip Jägenstedt
>

jesus2099 (who does not agree with this style guide) asked me to note
on the list that "The 'space style' is consistently used in ministry
of education scholar manuals for primary school chilren."
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11765108

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Pavan Chander | 7 Jan 2010 08:03

Status of 'release artist style'

Hi all,

I just came across the 'release artist style' guideline[1] and was quite surprised at the state it's in. It's listed as a proposed guideline, has a huge "Work in Progress!" notice at the top, and seems quite unfinished (i.e. there are unanswered FAQs on the page). To make things even more confusing the page is listed in the WikiDocs transclusion table, despite its chaotic state, marking it as a "reviewed page".

1) What's the guideline's status?

The page is linked to from several other official guidelines[2] (and rightly so, since it's such a fundamental guideline) so its "proposed style guideline" status seems quite questionable to me.

2) Is anyone interested, and willing, to clean the page up?

Yes, the guidelines are being rewritten to reflect the next server release, but before that has a chance to happen MusicBrainz will see several thousand new users[3]. That's quite a lot of eyes reading our current guidelines.

[1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Release_Artist_Style

[2] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Special:Whatlinkshere/Release_Artist_Style

[3] By counting userids I think we've had 11,000+ new users in the last three months.

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vienschez | 7 Jan 2010 11:52

RFC?/RFV? : A little mistake in Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

Hello, this is Tristan coming here from an edit note [3] after seeing work undone by a new style rule.

Even if I'm convinced it has little chance to change anything, I would like to point out that current
Capitalization Standard Vietnamese [1] is wrong about using english no space style before "!:;?".

I found no official source backing up the current rule that says ''No space before "!:;?" punctuations'' no
I ever saw any such official source on MB.

Capitalization Standard Vietnamese [1] should advocate the use of space before "!:;?" punctuation.

A. I bought the primary school official scholar books [2] they are all consistently using spaces.
B. References used to back up the nospace rule are not official (only statistics or software guidelines).
B1. How does one explain so many spaces everywhere if it was english style. Doing the same statistics on
officially english style languages wouldn't get such a high space percentage.
B2. VnTex document comes from outside Vietnam and is just observing the same as the statistics.

Tristan.

PS. This is a temporary e-mail address, I just hope real adress won't be sent in any header field for mailing
list archive to store and show it forever to anyone, including spam robots.

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[1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
[2] I have this 1999 edition http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
as well as the 2009 latest edition which includes updated books as well as new books. They are published and
printed by the ministry of education and training. Subjects ranging from Vietnamese language, math,
physics, poetry (all classical primary school subjects)
[3] http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11765108

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Philip Jägenstedt | 7 Jan 2010 15:20

Re: RFC?/RFV? : A little mistake in Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:52,
<vienschez-nospam20100107tempiunyiobuiutyui@...> wrote:
> Hello, this is Tristan coming here from an edit note [3] after seeing work undone by a new style rule.
>
> Even if I'm convinced it has little chance to change anything, I would like to point out that current
Capitalization Standard Vietnamese [1] is wrong about using english no space style before "!:;?".
>
> I found no official source backing up the current rule that says ''No space before "!:;?" punctuations''
no I ever saw any such official source on MB.
>
> Capitalization Standard Vietnamese [1] should advocate the use of space before "!:;?" punctuation.
>
> A. I bought the primary school official scholar books [2] they are all consistently using spaces.

Um... all the ones in the section supporting the space style use a
space, which happen to be the books you bought. However, if you
recall, the math, physics and a number of other books do *not* use the
space style and some of these are even from the same publisher as your
primary school books.

> B. References used to back up the nospace rule are not official (only statistics or software guidelines).

No official guidance whatsoever has been found, probably because none
has been given. However, whatever official guidelines might exist are
in practice ignored, as is evident from the inconsistent usage.

> B1. How does one explain so many spaces everywhere if it was english style. Doing the same statistics on
officially english style languages wouldn't get such a high space percentage.

My guess is that usage has changed over time and that French style is
going out, but still appears occasionally.

> B2. VnTex document comes from outside Vietnam and is just observing the same as the statistics.

Yes, but it shows that my little survey was not a fluke, this is
simply the way Vietnamese is normally written in digital form.

> Notes
> -----
> [1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
> [2] I have this 1999 edition
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese as well as the 2009 latest
edition which includes updated books as well as new books. They are published and printed by the ministry
of education and training. Subjects ranging from Vietnamese language, math, physics, poetry (all
classical primary school subjects)
> [3] http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11765108

Do we still have a style leader? I and Tristan will not find consensus
on this issue because we have different criteria of what is relevant
input into a MB style guide. Instead of endless metadiscussion to find
consensus on the criteria I would like some kind of action from the
style council (whatever/whoever that is).

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Philip Jägenstedt | 7 Jan 2010 15:21

Re: RFC?/RFV? : A little mistake in Capitalization Standard Vietnamese

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:52,
<vienschez-nospam20100107tempiunyiobuiutyui@...> wrote:
> Hello, this is Tristan coming here from an edit note [3] after seeing work undone by a new style rule.
>
> Even if I'm convinced it has little chance to change anything, I would like to point out that current
Capitalization Standard Vietnamese [1] is wrong about using english no space style before "!:;?".
>
> I found no official source backing up the current rule that says ''No space before "!:;?" punctuations''
no I ever saw any such official source on MB.
>
> Capitalization Standard Vietnamese [1] should advocate the use of space before "!:;?" punctuation.
>
> A. I bought the primary school official scholar books [2] they are all consistently using spaces.

Um... all the ones in the section supporting the space style use a
space, which happen to be the books you bought. However, if you
recall, the math, physics and a number of other books do *not* use the
space style and some of these are even from the same publisher as your
primary school books.

> B. References used to back up the nospace rule are not official (only statistics or software guidelines).

No official guidance whatsoever has been found, probably because none
has been given. However, whatever official guidelines might exist are
in practice ignored, as is evident from the inconsistent usage.

> B1. How does one explain so many spaces everywhere if it was english style. Doing the same statistics on
officially english style languages wouldn't get such a high space percentage.

My guess is that usage has changed over time and that French style is
going out, but still appears occasionally.

> B2. VnTex document comes from outside Vietnam and is just observing the same as the statistics.

Yes, but it shows that my little survey was not a fluke, this is
simply the way Vietnamese is normally written in digital form.

> Notes
> -----
> [1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
> [2] I have this 1999 edition
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese as well as the 2009 latest
edition which includes updated books as well as new books. They are published and printed by the ministry
of education and training. Subjects ranging from Vietnamese language, math, physics, poetry (all
classical primary school subjects)
> [3] http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11765108

Do we still have a style leader? I and Tristan will not find consensus
on this issue because we have different criteria of what is relevant
input into a MB style guide. Instead of endless metadiscussion to find
consensus on the criteria I would like some kind of action from the
style council (whatever/whoever that is).

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