Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren | 30 Aug 20:06 2015
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STYLE-473: Decide how "unofficial" remix "singles" should be entered

This came up again a few days ago so I thought I'd open a discussion and see what others think.

It's pretty common to see remixers freely releasing unauthorised remixes (in soundcloud/bandcamp/youtube) of songs they often don't have the rights for. It's pretty much an official release for the remixer, but not so for the original artist. Right now, it's not clear how to add those:

Always as standalone recordings? (even though a lot of them have proper covers)

As Other+Remix releases under the original artist? (and with what status?)

As releases in the original song's RG, when applicable? (and with what status?)

As releases under the remixer?

Should the choice be different depending on who seems to be the most prominent artist in the cover for the release?

Curious to see other people's opinions on these :) The original ticket is at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-473 (couple comments there already).

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Staffan | 12 Aug 12:01 2015
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What is a release country?

Over at https://musicbrainz.org/edit/34494044 there is a discussion going on about how to determine the release country.
https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Release_Country don't give much help as it only says "the country in which an album was released".

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Gerion Entrup | 12 Aug 02:46 2015
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Chaptersupport

Good day,

I have searched (eg [1], [2]), but did not find anything appropriate, so I want make a suggestion:
What do you think about chapter support in Musicbrainz?

Concretly I see three usecases, that are actually not possible:

1. Releases of audiobooks as one complete track. As far as I know, two usual formats exists for this files.
The first are iPod m4b files. Technically this is a mp4-Container with AAC-Audio and a Chapterfile. You
can buy it from the iTunes Store or create it [3], [4]. The second format are Audible-Audiobooks.
Technically this is a proprietary container with mp3-Audio and a Chapterfile [5]. Maybe Audible-Files
are not so high priority, because no Muxer exists for this files (a demuxer is just discussed as patch for
FFmpeg/Libav). Also Matroska and some other formats support Chapters, but I don't know a (hardware)
player or shop, that uses Matroska for audiobooks. If you have such a file and want to tag it with
Musicbrainz/Picard, you will not be able to do this, because there is no support f
 or chapters.

2. Releases of DJ-mixes. Often DJ-mixes contain a tracklist, e.g. [6], [7]. I see, that it is possible to
link one or more recordings as relationship to a DJ-mix, but the cleaner solution, I think, are chapters.
On the one hand you can define timestamps for chapters. On the other hand Picard (or another tagger) can
write chapters directly into the files, so that a player can show the actual track directly.

3. Podcasts. I'm not sure, whether Musicbrainz want to be a database for podcasts, but podcasts often use
chapters [8].

As a suggestion chapters could be realized as a table:

chapter
PK, FK : part of recording (NOT NULL)
PK     : number (NOT NULL)
       : timestamp (NOT NULL)
    FK : recording (the recording it is the mix or the audiobookchapter from)

I'm excited about your comments.
Best,
Gerion

[1] https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Terminology
[2] https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Specific_types_of_releases/Audiobook
[3] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/audiobook-binder/id413969927?mt=12
[4] http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-146944.html
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audible.com#Quality
[6] http://www.edmliveset.com/news/nature-one-2015-liveset-collection/
[7] https://musicbrainz.org/recording/8a0f2d89-628b-41b0-bef2-fad2e145e4d3
[8] http://podlove.org/simple-chapters/
Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren | 27 Jun 16:49 2015
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STYLE-534: When to merge artists?

Hi!

When we recently released MBS-7489 ("Artist Credits for Relationships"), I took the gist of the guidelines in the old Artist/With Multiple Names page (https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=Style/Artist/With_multiple_names&oldid=67846) and turned them into https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Artist#Performance_names_and_legal_names

That current guideline basically continues our old "leave separate only if they're different projects" guideline, but admittedly that wasn't a very followed one because a lot of people wanted to keep legal name (usually writing) credits separate not to lose that detail. MBS-7489 allows that, but some people have requested a discussion whether it *allowing* it means we *should* do it, or whether the limits should be more strict than "all except different projects".

On the comments for STYLE-534, KRSCuan said:
"My suggestion is to only merge artist entries that can be considered a relatively small variation of each other. Which encompasses pretty much all the examples on the current version of https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Aliases, but not much more. The rationale is that even a user unfamiliar with an artist (which e.g. appears on a VA compilation) should be able to pick the correct one just going by liner notes."

My own opinion on that is that it should be solved by showing which alias (best) matched the search term for each entity when searching, so that if people search for (for example) a legal name and get a performance name back, it will show "Performance name (Alias: Legal name)" in some way. I feel it's a display issue that shouldn't affect what we choose to merge. But I'm happy to hear opinions on it!

Another thing that could be discussed is whether an artist consistently using their legal name for songwriting credits (on releases - work databases basically default to legal name anyway so they shouldn't really count) should be seen as a different "project" and kept unmerged, or should be merged unless there's explicit artist intent.

But basically, I'm curious about people's opinions on the whole thing and where each of you would set the limit for merges, so opinions away! :)

Cheers,
Nicolás
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Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren | 2 Jun 15:54 2015

Style changes report (2015-06-02)

While you probably know about most of the important changes already, you can now check the blog for a list of the style changes from the last few months:


If anything is not clear, please ask!
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Frederic Da Vitoria | 29 Apr 18:05 2015
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Editing bug

Hello,

I just entered release 6c73c660-f0c9-45c5-841f-f7e429d99d8d. This one disc release has been also entered previously in a multi-disc compilation. During my editing, I changed the track title for tracks 9 to 12, so that checking the recordings was a little tricky. Now I have this strange situation where clicking on track 9 leads to an empty page. How was this possible? How can I make it right?

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Frederic Da Vitoria | 29 Apr 17:13 2015
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Strange mail answer

Hello,

I just had an issue while entering a new release and I posted a question to musicbrainz-users <at> lists.musicbrainz.org. To my surprise, I got an answer from a company called InnovativeAir telling me a ticked had been entered. I checked the mail I sent and the destination was correct.


Does this make any sense to any one?

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Laura Bethke | 20 Apr 17:14 2015

Artist work relationship

Hi,

 

I have a short question regarding artist work relationships (I can’t seem to find the answer in the docs):

 

Is it possible for a work to have multiple artist relations with the same type, e.g. several composers?

Or would other composers have an “additional” relationship attribute, and there is only one primary composer?

 

Thanks,

Laura

 

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Héctor Arroyo | 28 Mar 20:38 2015

Re: Guidelines for Events

Hi,

I would like to bring into the attention of the Style Council the need for some sort of Event Guidelines in order to reach some consensus when linking locations, events, artists and recordings. I've added a ticket on Jira [1] with my thoughts.

I would really like to hear oppinions from other editors so we can formalise a set of guidelines on the wiki and /doc pages.

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David Gasaway | 20 Mar 23:20 2015

Remove honorary titles

Hi,

I'd like to propose that we remove honorary titles from artist names,
i.e., "Sir Thomas Beecham" [1] should be simply "Thomas Beecham".
They are not really part of the artists' names, and should not apply
to times before the titles were bestowed.  ACs can be used to indicate
the title if they are featured on a release, of course.  I'd like to
see this added to Style/Artist.

[1] http://musicbrainz.org/artist/0e6ccc63-41cb-4903-8b7d-60846aca6d58

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CARO REPETTO, RAFAEL | 12 Mar 09:36 2015

Alias for Chinese artists

Hello,

I have been editing a series of Chinese releases, that have been published, as far as I know, just in China for Chinese consumers.

I have been editing the artists' names in simplified Chinese, as it appears in the CDs, with the sort name in pinyin transliteration, maintaining the comma between surname and name:
Name: 李胜素
Sort Name: Li, Shengsu
(http://musicbrainz.org/artist/947a82fc-4394-4861-ad7c-35d51dd2d182).

I have the doubt though if there's a need for also adding an alias to that, with the transliteration withouth the comma, as it might appear when quoted in languages that use latin script. In case I need to do so, do I have to use a specific locale? Because I haven't changed the language at all, it is still Chinese. And I haven't found a locale such as "Chinese pinyin". I wouldn't like use "English", beacuse this is the form that will also be used in Spanish, French, Italian, German, etc.

As I said, the whole purpose of the alias would be to have a translitarion of the name without the comma that is needed for sort names.

Thank you!

Rafael Caro.

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